diff --git a/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/dbs/tbls/Xocfg_map_tbl.java b/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/dbs/tbls/Xocfg_map_tbl.java
index 8e58356e2..f366e5f6c 100644
--- a/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/dbs/tbls/Xocfg_map_tbl.java
+++ b/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/dbs/tbls/Xocfg_map_tbl.java
@@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ public class Xocfg_map_tbl implements Db_tbl {
 		try {
 			if (!rdr.Move_next()) return 0;
 			Object max = rdr.Read_obj(fld__map_sort);
-			return max == null ? 0 : Int_.cast(max) + 1;
+			return max == null ? 0 : Int_.cast(max) + 10;
 		}
 		finally {rdr.Rls();}
 	}
diff --git a/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/mgrs/caches/Xocfg_cache_mgr__tst.java b/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/mgrs/caches/Xocfg_cache_mgr__tst.java
index 85cd60671..3b79a6f83 100644
--- a/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/mgrs/caches/Xocfg_cache_mgr__tst.java
+++ b/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/mgrs/caches/Xocfg_cache_mgr__tst.java
@@ -44,6 +44,7 @@ public class Xocfg_cache_mgr__tst {
 }
 class Xocfg_cache_mgr__fxt {
 	private Xocfg_cache_mgr mgr = new Xocfg_cache_mgr();
+	private int id;
 	public void Clear() {
 		gplx.dbs.Db_conn_bldr.Instance.Reg_default_mem();
 		Db_conn conn = Db_conn_bldr.Instance.Get_or_autocreate(true, Io_url_.new_any_("mem/xowa/wiki/en.wikipedia.org/"));
@@ -51,8 +52,8 @@ class Xocfg_cache_mgr__fxt {
 	}
 	public Xocfg_cache_sub_mock Sub() {return sub;} private Xocfg_cache_sub_mock sub = new Xocfg_cache_sub_mock();
 	public void Init__db_add(String ctx, String key, Object val) {
-		Xocfg_maint_svc.Create_grp(mgr.Db_app(), "test_grp", "", "", "");
-		Xocfg_maint_svc.Create_itm(mgr.Db_app(), key, "test_grp", "", "", "wiki", "string", "dflt", "textbox", "");
+		Xocfg_maint_svc.Create_grp(mgr.Db_app(), id++, "test_grp", "", "", "");
+		Xocfg_maint_svc.Create_itm(mgr.Db_app(), id++, key, "test_grp", "", "", "wiki", "string", "dflt", "textbox", "");
 		mgr.Db_usr().Set_str(ctx, key, Object_.Xto_str_strict_or_null(val));
 	}
 	public void Init__sub(String ctx, String key, String evt) {
diff --git a/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_nde.java b/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_nde.java
index b16c82783..d2fbb1be2 100644
--- a/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_nde.java
+++ b/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_nde.java
@@ -17,13 +17,15 @@ along with this program.  If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
 */
 package gplx.xowa.addons.apps.cfgs.specials.maints.services; import gplx.*; import gplx.xowa.*; import gplx.xowa.addons.*; import gplx.xowa.addons.apps.*; import gplx.xowa.addons.apps.cfgs.*; import gplx.xowa.addons.apps.cfgs.specials.*; import gplx.xowa.addons.apps.cfgs.specials.maints.*;
 abstract class Xocfg_maint_nde implements gplx.core.brys.Bry_bfr_able {
-	public Xocfg_maint_nde(String key, String owner, String name, String help) {
+	public Xocfg_maint_nde(int id, String key, String owner, String name, String help) {
+		this.id = id;
 		this.key = key;
 		this.owner = owner;
 		this.name = name;
 		this.help = help;
 	}
 	public abstract boolean Type_is_grp();
+	public int Id() {return id;} private final    int id;
 	public String Key() {return key;} private final    String key;
 	public String Owner() {return owner;} private final    String owner;
 	public String Name() {return name;} private final    String name;
@@ -34,12 +36,12 @@ abstract class Xocfg_maint_nde implements gplx.core.brys.Bry_bfr_able {
 	}
 	protected abstract void To_bfr_hook(Bry_bfr bfr);
 }
-class Xocfg_maint_grp extends Xocfg_maint_nde {	public Xocfg_maint_grp(String key, String owner, String name, String help) {super(key, owner, name, help);
+class Xocfg_maint_grp extends Xocfg_maint_nde {	public Xocfg_maint_grp(int id, String key, String owner, String name, String help) {super(id, key, owner, name, help);
 	}
 	@Override public boolean Type_is_grp() {return true;}
 	@Override protected void To_bfr_hook(Bry_bfr bfr) {}
 }
-class Xocfg_maint_itm extends Xocfg_maint_nde {	public Xocfg_maint_itm(String key, String owner, String name, String help, String scope, String db_type, String dflt, String gui_type, String gui_args) {super(key, owner, name, help);
+class Xocfg_maint_itm extends Xocfg_maint_nde {	public Xocfg_maint_itm(int id, String key, String owner, String name, String help, String scope, String db_type, String dflt, String gui_type, String gui_args) {super(id, key, owner, name, help);
 		this.scope = scope;
 		this.db_type = db_type;
 		this.dflt = dflt;
diff --git a/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_parser.java b/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_parser.java
index 0f567d453..7aa377271 100644
--- a/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_parser.java
+++ b/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_parser.java
@@ -32,6 +32,7 @@ class Xocfg_maint_parser {
 	private Xocfg_maint_nde Parse_nde(GfoMsg msg) {
 		Ordered_hash hash = To_atr_hash(msg);
 		// get common atrs
+		int id			= Int_.parse(Get_atr_as_str_or_fail(hash, "id_"));
 		String owner	= Get_atr_as_str_or_fail(hash, "owner_");
 		String key		= Get_atr_as_str_or_fail(hash, "key_");
 		String name		= Get_atr_as_str_or_fail(hash, "name_");
@@ -40,7 +41,7 @@ class Xocfg_maint_parser {
 		// create
 		String nde_type = msg.Key();
 		if (String_.Eq(nde_type, "grp")) {
-			return new Xocfg_maint_grp(key, owner, name, help);
+			return new Xocfg_maint_grp(id, key, owner, name, help);
 		}
 		else if (String_.Eq(nde_type, "itm")) {
 			String scope		= Get_atr_as_str_or(hash, "scope_", ""); if (String_.Eq(scope, "")) scope = "wiki";
@@ -52,7 +53,7 @@ class Xocfg_maint_parser {
 			if (gui_type == null) {
 				gui_type = gplx.xowa.addons.apps.cfgs.enums.Xoitm_gui_tid.Infer_gui_type(db_type);
 			}
-			return new Xocfg_maint_itm(key, owner, name, help, scope, db_type, dflt, gui_type, gui_args);
+			return new Xocfg_maint_itm(id, key, owner, name, help, scope, db_type, dflt, gui_type, gui_args);
 		}
 		else throw Err_.new_wo_type("xo.cfg_maint:unknown type", "type", nde_type);
 	}
diff --git a/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_parser__tst.java b/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_parser__tst.java
index 10bfc44bd..7f4609132 100644
--- a/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_parser__tst.java
+++ b/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_parser__tst.java
@@ -20,13 +20,13 @@ import org.junit.*; import gplx.core.tests.*;
 public class Xocfg_maint_parser__tst {
 	private final    Xocfg_maint_parser__fxt fxt = new Xocfg_maint_parser__fxt();
 	@Test   public void Parse_grp() {
-		fxt.Exec__parse("grp {key='key_1'; owner='owner_1'; name='name_1'; help='help_1'}"
-		, fxt.Make__grp("key_1", "owner_1", "name_1", "help_1")
+		fxt.Exec__parse("grp {id='123'; key='key_1'; owner='owner_1'; name='name_1'; help='help_1'}"
+		, fxt.Make__grp(123, "key_1", "owner_1", "name_1", "help_1")
 		);
 	}
 	@Test   public void Parse_itm() {
-		fxt.Exec__parse("itm {key='key_1'; owner='owner_1'; name='name_1'; help='help_1'; scope='scope_1'; db_type='db_type_1'; dflt='dflt_1'; gui_type='gui_type_1'; gui_args='gui_args_1'}"
-		, fxt.Make__itm("key_1", "owner_1", "name_1", "help_1", "scope_1", "db_type_1", "dflt_1", "gui_type_1", "gui_args_1")
+		fxt.Exec__parse("itm {id='123'; key='key_1'; owner='owner_1'; name='name_1'; help='help_1'; scope='scope_1'; db_type='db_type_1'; dflt='dflt_1'; gui_type='gui_type_1'; gui_args='gui_args_1'}"
+		, fxt.Make__itm(123, "key_1", "owner_1", "name_1", "help_1", "scope_1", "db_type_1", "dflt_1", "gui_type_1", "gui_args_1")
 		);
 	}
 }
@@ -36,10 +36,10 @@ class Xocfg_maint_parser__fxt {
 		Xocfg_maint_nde[] actl = parser.Parse(raw);
 		Gftest.Eq__ary(expd, actl);
 	}
-	public Xocfg_maint_grp Make__grp(String key, String owner, String name, String help) {
-		return new Xocfg_maint_grp(key, owner, name, help);
+	public Xocfg_maint_grp Make__grp(int id, String key, String owner, String name, String help) {
+		return new Xocfg_maint_grp(id, key, owner, name, help);
 	}
-	public Xocfg_maint_itm Make__itm(String key, String owner, String name, String help, String scope, String db_type, String dflt, String gui_type, String gui_args) {
-		return new Xocfg_maint_itm(key, owner, name, help, scope, db_type, dflt, gui_type, gui_args);
+	public Xocfg_maint_itm Make__itm(int id, String key, String owner, String name, String help, String scope, String db_type, String dflt, String gui_type, String gui_args) {
+		return new Xocfg_maint_itm(id, key, owner, name, help, scope, db_type, dflt, gui_type, gui_args);
 	}
 }
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_svc.java b/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_svc.java
index ebc3cce64..1891b37f3 100644
--- a/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_svc.java
+++ b/400_xowa/src/gplx/xowa/addons/apps/cfgs/specials/maints/services/Xocfg_maint_svc.java
@@ -40,19 +40,17 @@ public class Xocfg_maint_svc {
 			byte[] help = parser_mgr.Main().Parse_text_to_html(parser_mgr.Ctx(), Bry_.new_u8(nde.Help()));
 			help = Bry_.Replace(help, anch_find_bry, anch_repl_bry);	// replace "<a " with "<a tabindex=-1 " else tabbing will go to hidden anchors in help text
 			if (nde.Type_is_grp()) {
-				Xocfg_maint_svc.Create_grp(db_app, nde.Key(), nde.Owner(), nde.Name(), String_.new_u8(help));
+				Xocfg_maint_svc.Create_grp(db_app, nde.Id(), nde.Key(), nde.Owner(), nde.Name(), String_.new_u8(help));
 			}
 			else {
 				Xocfg_maint_itm itm = (Xocfg_maint_itm)nde;
-				Xocfg_maint_svc.Create_itm(db_app, nde.Key(), nde.Owner(), nde.Name(), String_.new_u8(help), itm.Scope(), itm.Db_type(), itm.Dflt(), itm.Gui_type(), itm.Gui_args());
+				Xocfg_maint_svc.Create_itm(db_app, nde.Id(), nde.Key(), nde.Owner(), nde.Name(), String_.new_u8(help), itm.Scope(), itm.Db_type(), itm.Dflt(), itm.Gui_type(), itm.Gui_args());
 			}
 		}
 		db_app.Conn().Txn_end();
 	}
-	public static void Create_grp(Xocfg_db_app db_app, String key, String owner, String name, String help) {
+	public static void Create_grp(Xocfg_db_app db_app, int grp_id, String key, String owner, String name, String help) {
 		// insert grp_meta
-		Xocfg_grp_row grp = db_app.Tbl__grp().Select_by_key_or_null(key);
-		int grp_id = grp == null ? db_app.Conn().Sys_mgr().Autonum_next("cfg_grp_meta.grp_id") : grp.Id();
 		db_app.Tbl__grp().Upsert(grp_id, key);
 
 		// insert grp_map
@@ -63,14 +61,11 @@ public class Xocfg_maint_svc {
 		// insert nde_i18n
 		db_app.Tbl__txt().Upsert(grp_id, Xoitm_lang_tid.Lang__dflt, name, help);
 	}
-	public static void Create_itm(Xocfg_db_app db_app, String key, String owner, String name, String help, String scope, String db_type, String dflt, String gui_type, String gui_args) {
+	public static void Create_itm(Xocfg_db_app db_app, int itm_id, String key, String owner, String name, String help, String scope, String db_type, String dflt, String gui_type, String gui_args) {
 		// insert itm_meta
 		int grp_id = db_app.Tbl__grp().Select_id_by_key_or_fail(owner);
 		int scope_id = Xoitm_scope_tid.To_int(scope);
 		int gui_type_id = Xoitm_gui_tid.To_tid(gui_type);
-		int itm_id = db_app.Tbl__itm().Select_id_or(key, -1);
-		if (itm_id == -1)
-			itm_id = db_app.Conn().Sys_mgr().Autonum_next("cfg_itm_meta.itm_id");
 		db_app.Tbl__itm().Upsert(itm_id, scope_id, db_type, gui_type_id, gui_args, key, dflt);
 
 		// insert grp_map